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''"Harnessing the power of magic..."''<br />
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Facilitated by Josh Price and Tom Adams<br />
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= Build Tools =<br />
<br />
== What's the current state of Java build tools? ==<br />
<br />
Performance is not always optimal. <br />
<br />
=== ant ===<br />
* programming in xml doesn't make sense<br />
* big ball of ant problem<br />
** the 9000 line "untouchable" collection of build script<br />
* few conventions <br />
** lots of rope to hang yourself<br />
* hard to refactor<br />
* ill-conceived <br />
** even JDD has disowned it<br />
<br />
=== maven ===<br />
* good conventions but hard to diverge from the norm<br />
** simple things are simple<br />
** moderate things are really hard (write a plugin)<br />
** hard things are virtually impossible<br />
* too much voodoo<br />
* not enough docs <br />
** hard to find where/how to configure things<br />
* kind of buggy <br />
** (I think this was attributed to plugins)<br />
* declarative model is too strict <br />
** flexibility is needed here<br />
* appeals to the less experienced <br />
** can get yourself in trouble if you assume it all just works<br />
<br />
== What can Java learn from Ruby? ==<br />
<br />
=== rake ===<br />
* testing your build?<br />
** once it gets really big you need to be able to reason about your build. <br />
** tests could allow you to refactor/optimise/etc without breaking anything<br />
** testing is much simpler with a real language<br />
*** if you're stuck with ant you could use antunit (http://ant.apache.org/antlibs/antunit/)<br />
* we really need a first class language for flexibility<br />
** programming in xml doesn't make sense<br />
** pure declarative model solves some problems but reduces flexibility<br />
* auto include of rake files allows easy factoring<br />
* possible to separate the definition of dependencies - who depends on me?<br />
* builtin namespaces (ie db:*, test:*)<br />
* plugins in ruby are really simple<br />
** monkey patching<br />
* file dependency checking is built in<br />
** what changed? do it anyway not optimal speed<br />
* auto checking of timestamps<br />
<br />
=== raven ===<br />
<br />
* java builds using rake and gems<br />
** http://raven.rubyforge.org/<br />
* Book just released<br />
** http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10333<br />
<br />
= Deployment tools =<br />
<br />
== Capistrano for Java deployment? ==<br />
<br />
* posix only (no windows yet)<br />
** installing cygwin is a solution<br />
** write adapters for the commands used (ssh, ftp, etc)<br />
* version 2.0 just released<br />
* peepcode demo (http://topfunky.com/clients/peepcode/free-episodes/peepcode-free-deprec.mov)<br />
** building ubuntu box remotely via ssh<br />
** using the deprec gem (http://www.deprec.org/)<br />
* convincing management that using a Ruby tool on a Java project is a good thing<br />
** it's often easier to just do it and show the benefits<br />
** ask for forgiveness rather than permission<br />
<br />
=== Links ===<br />
<br />
* http://www.capify.org/upgrade/whats-new<br />
** The Event framework look particularly interesting<br />
* http://www.iseff.com/2007/03/capistrano-and-java.html<br />
* http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/04/capistrano_20_not_just_for_rai.html<br />
* http://www.smartfrog.org - SmartFrog is a technology for describing distributed software systems as collections of cooperating components, and then activating and managing them. It was developed at HP Labs in Bristol, in the UK. The core SmartFrog framework is released under LGPL.</div>212.72.56.31http://citconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Paul_O%27Keeffe&diff=1656Paul O'Keeffe2007-10-13T02:19:31Z<p>212.72.56.31: </p>
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monpas<br />
I'm an independent software developer, currently working through [http://www.sp.com.au Software Projects].<br />
<br />
You can contact me direct via [http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/533/88b LinkedIn].<br />
<br />
I was one of the (infamous?) "Brisbane Cluster" ([[Tomjadams|Tom Adams]], [[Paul King]]) and, thanks to all of you good folks, throughly enjoyed my time at the conference in Sydney. I have no regrets - not even that comment about the underpants...<br />
<br />
I convened or co-convened the following sessions:<br />
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#[[How to Start Testing A Large Legacy Application]]<br />
#[[What Mistakes Can You Make in Designing Your Automated Tests]]<br />
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Other sessions I attended included:<br />
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#[[5 Schools of Testing]]/[[Fragile Test]]<br />
#[[Dynamic Build Languages]]<br />
#[[Using Dynamic Languages for Writing Tests]]</div>212.72.56.31http://citconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Jason_Darling&diff=1543Jason Darling2007-10-11T00:05:19Z<p>212.72.56.31: </p>
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<div>varzelli<br />
Sr. Software Test Engineer [http://www.dovetailsoftware.com Dovetail Software]<br />
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[http://blogs.dovetailsoftware.com/blogs/jason_darling/default.aspx Blog]</div>212.72.56.31http://citconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Paul_Duvall&diff=1527Paul Duvall2007-10-10T15:35:28Z<p>212.72.56.31: </p>
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<div>livarvart<br />
relouge<br />
* My book: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321336380/?tag=integratecom-20 Continuous Integration: ''Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk'']<br />
** [http://www.integratebutton.com/ Book's website] and [http://www.integratebutton.com/blog blog]<br />
* My company: [http://www.stelligent.com/ Stelligent], <br />
* My blog: [http://www.testearly.com/ Test Early]<br />
* paul.duvall -at- stelligent.com<br />
* My [http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulduvall LinkedIn] page<br />
<br />
===Articles===<br />
* [http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ap09056/index.html Automation for the people: Choosing a Continuous Integration Server]<br />
* [http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ap10106/index.html Automation for the people: Removing the smell from your build scripts]<br />
* [http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ap08016/index.html Automation for the people: Continuous Inspection]<br />
* [http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ap03137/index.html Automation for the people: Continuous Testing]</div>212.72.56.31