Difference between revisions of "Dynamic Build Languages"
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** installing cygwin is a solution | ** installing cygwin is a solution | ||
** write adapters for the commands used (ssh, ftp, etc) | ** write adapters for the commands used (ssh, ftp, etc) | ||
| − | * peepcode demo | + | * peepcode demo (http://topfunky.com/clients/peepcode/free-episodes/peepcode-free-deprec.mov) |
** building ubuntu box remotely via ssh | ** building ubuntu box remotely via ssh | ||
| + | ** using the deprec gem (http://www.deprec.org/) | ||
* convincing management that using a Ruby tool on a Java project is a good thing | * convincing management that using a Ruby tool on a Java project is a good thing | ||
** it's often easier to just do it and show the benefits | ** it's often easier to just do it and show the benefits | ||
** ask for forgiveness rather than permission | ** ask for forgiveness rather than permission | ||
Revision as of 22:28, 28 July 2007
"Harnessing the power of magic..."
Facilitated by Josh Price and Tom Adams
Build Tools
What's the current state of Java build tools?
Performance is not always optimal.
ant
- programming in xml doesn't make sense
- big ball of ant problem
- the 9000 line "untouchable" collection of build script
- few conventions
- lots of rope to hang yourself
- hard to refactor
- ill-conceived
- even JDD has disowned it
maven
- good conventions but hard to diverge from the norm
- simple things are simple
- moderate things are really hard (write a plugin)
- hard things are virtually impossible
- too much voodoo
- not enough docs
- hard to find where/how to configure things
- kind of buggy
- (I think this was attributed to plugins)
- declarative model is too strict
- flexibility is needed here
- appeals to the less experienced
- can get yourself in trouble if you assume it all just works
What can Java learn from Ruby?
rake
- testing your build?
- once it gets really big you need to be able to reason about your build.
- tests could allow you to refactor/optimise/etc without breaking anything
- we really need a first class language for flexibility
- programming in xml doesn't make sense
- pure declarative model solves some problems but reduces flexibility
- auto include of rake files allows easy factoring
- possible to separate the definition of dependencies - who depends on me?
- builtin namespaces (ie db:*, test:*)
- plugins in ruby are really simple
- monkey patching
- file dependency checking is built in
- what changed? do it anyway not optimal speed
- auto checking of timestamps
Deployment tools
Capistrano for Java deployment?
- posix only (no windows yet)
- installing cygwin is a solution
- write adapters for the commands used (ssh, ftp, etc)
- peepcode demo (http://topfunky.com/clients/peepcode/free-episodes/peepcode-free-deprec.mov)
- building ubuntu box remotely via ssh
- using the deprec gem (http://www.deprec.org/)
- convincing management that using a Ruby tool on a Java project is a good thing
- it's often easier to just do it and show the benefits
- ask for forgiveness rather than permission
